Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Sep 11, 2006 18:41
17 yrs ago
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Spanish term
esclavista
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
academic document
Here it is describing society in Southern US
Estas sociedades, históricamente constituidas por dos grupos raciales definidos –negros y blancos-, se ha distinguido por su ideología profundamente racista, por su pasado **esclavista**, así como por el carácter tradicional y conservador de sus grupos dominantes.
According to Simon and Schuster it is "pro-slavery", but I am not sure this is the exact equivalent for this context.
I am also concerned about the "political correctness" of the term...
Help!!!
Here it is describing society in Southern US
Estas sociedades, históricamente constituidas por dos grupos raciales definidos –negros y blancos-, se ha distinguido por su ideología profundamente racista, por su pasado **esclavista**, así como por el carácter tradicional y conservador de sus grupos dominantes.
According to Simon and Schuster it is "pro-slavery", but I am not sure this is the exact equivalent for this context.
I am also concerned about the "political correctness" of the term...
Help!!!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | slaveholding |
Anton Baer
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| 5 +3 | pro-slavery |
Edward Tully
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| 5 +1 | slavery |
Henry Hinds
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| 4 +1 | pro-slavery |
Nicholas Ferreira
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| 4 | slaveholder |
Yaotl Altan
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| 4 | for their history of slavery |
Victoria Frazier
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Proposed translations
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4 mins
Anton Baer
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Technology, natural sciences, AGBs
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, Slovak to English, Czech to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
slaveholding
ya
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Note added at 4 hrs (2006-09-11 23:13:23 GMT)
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There's something about 'history of slavery' that's too broad.
In general terms:
The world has a history of slavery.
Africans have a history of enslavement.
Arabs have a history of slaving.
Europeans have a history of slaveholding, enslavement (to Berbers for example in the 1700s (I think), and slaving.
But I don't think the US states had a history of slaving (not a prominent inter-state activity) or enslavement...
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Note added at 2 days1 hr (2006-09-13 20:10:44 GMT)
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"a slaveholding past"
A 'history of slaveholding' is subtly different to my ear -- implies that the history had its vagaries, its changes, its evolution, and could even have evolved to the present day ('The US has a history of foreign intervention'). Perhaps the organisation of the final sentence will show you which expression fits best into the text; I'd still prefer 'slaveholding past' as the shorter, and also because it limits the period of slaveholding (definitely) to the past. Where 'history' doesn't... ('He has a history of violence..')
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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2006-09-13 20:43:50 GMT) Post-grading
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You're welcome! An interesting project, apologies for the delay in getting this final note off but I see you got to the same conclusion yourself anyway!
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Note added at 4 hrs (2006-09-11 23:13:23 GMT)
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There's something about 'history of slavery' that's too broad.
In general terms:
The world has a history of slavery.
Africans have a history of enslavement.
Arabs have a history of slaving.
Europeans have a history of slaveholding, enslavement (to Berbers for example in the 1700s (I think), and slaving.
But I don't think the US states had a history of slaving (not a prominent inter-state activity) or enslavement...
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Note added at 2 days1 hr (2006-09-13 20:10:44 GMT)
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"a slaveholding past"
A 'history of slaveholding' is subtly different to my ear -- implies that the history had its vagaries, its changes, its evolution, and could even have evolved to the present day ('The US has a history of foreign intervention'). Perhaps the organisation of the final sentence will show you which expression fits best into the text; I'd still prefer 'slaveholding past' as the shorter, and also because it limits the period of slaveholding (definitely) to the past. Where 'history' doesn't... ('He has a history of violence..')
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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2006-09-13 20:43:50 GMT) Post-grading
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You're welcome! An interesting project, apologies for the delay in getting this final note off but I see you got to the same conclusion yourself anyway!
Note from asker:
| so, would the Southern US states have a history of slaveholding? or a slaveholding past? does this make sense? trying to see what makes sense. Actually like both. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Heather Oland
: This is what I would use in this sentence.
47 mins
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Yes, it's an adjective and has nothing to do with Civil War politics..
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for all your help and your comments. I ended using "slaveholding past", exactly for the reason you give me in your last comment. Thank you very much!!!!"
3 mins
Yaotl Altan
Mexico
Mexico
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Mexico
Mexican translator proofreader +20 years
Native in: Spanish , Italian
Works in: English to Spanish, Italian to Spanish, French to Spanish, and 5 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
8
slaveholder
:)
+1
4 mins
Nicholas Ferreira
Canada
Canada
Native in Spanish
&
English
Works in field
Canada
Conference interpreter anywhere, anytime
Native in: English , Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, Latin to English, French to English, and 6 more.
+3
3 mins
Edward Tully
Native in English
Because your words matter
Native in: English (Variants: US, UK) 
Works in: Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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92
pro-slavery
a
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Note added at 7 mins (2006-09-11 18:48:14 GMT)
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I think your translation is correct, given the context - this is clearly a very critical text, so pro-slavery is fine
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Note added at 7 mins (2006-09-11 18:48:14 GMT)
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I think your translation is correct, given the context - this is clearly a very critical text, so pro-slavery is fine
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ronnie McKee
2 mins
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thank you Ronnie!
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| agree |
Robert Copeland
30 mins
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thank you Robert
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| agree |
Pilar Díez
14 hrs
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thank you Pilar
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+1
3 mins
Henry Hinds
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
Works in field
United States
43 years of Border Experience and fast.
Native in: English , Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
:
132
slavery
Results 1 - 10 of about 300,000 for "history of slavery".
su pasado **esclavista = their "history of slavery".
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Note added at 7 minutos (2006-09-11 18:48:38 GMT)
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There are other possibilities as well, such as "history of slaveholding", "slaveholding past", etc.
su pasado **esclavista = their "history of slavery".
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Note added at 7 minutos (2006-09-11 18:48:38 GMT)
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There are other possibilities as well, such as "history of slaveholding", "slaveholding past", etc.
Note from asker:
| Thank you Henry for your comments and for putting "slaveholding" out in the mix! |
23 mins
Victoria Frazier
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
Works in field
United States
Customized to your needs translations
Native in: Spanish (Variants: Mexican, US)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
:
4
for their history of slavery
Así lo traduciría yo. Otra opción.
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