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Çakıl
Temel : "Uy da uşağum! Bunun ciresunu( Giresun) varda çıkasunu yokmidur da?"
Oct 31, 2004 20:31
19 yrs ago
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Turkish term

oldubittiyle

Turkish to English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters general knowledge
Fanatiklerin bir oldubittiyle Kardak'a çıkarak, yeniden Yunan bayrağı dikmesine kesinlikle izin verilmeyeceği belirtildi.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 as a fait accompli
3 +11 with a fait accompli
3 +5 with an accomplished fact

Discussion

Leyal Nov 1, 2004:
���������, "it will never happen again, that fanatics �before anyone can say knife- claim on Kardak and hoist the greek flag"
digger (X) Nov 1, 2004:
Kom�i, I believe 'oldubitti/faith accompli' does NOT carry the meaning (that is, neither in Turkish nor in English) "...with prior approval/backing, etc. etc.". I take it that's what you are driving at...
Özden Arıkan Nov 1, 2004:
no, "�karak" -> "by landing [on kardak w/a fait acc.]" not "having landed"
Non-ProZ.com Oct 31, 2004:
Tesekkuler komsular. But with '�karak' it means 'having achieved a fait accompli' it is apparent that permission was given to the fanatics to plant the Greek flag?

Proposed translations

+4
15 hrs
Selected

as a fait accompli

'Oldubitti' corresponds in meaning very closely with the expression 'fait accompli'. It would be possible to paraphrase and achieve a more elegant sentence without this expression, but I think this would sacrifice accuracy. I would translate the sentence as:
It was stated that fanatics will never again be permitted to land on Kardak and plant the Greek flag as a fait accompli.
'Oldubittiyle' qualifies both actions (landing and planting the flag).
There is no idea here that permission was given to the fanatics. They acted in such a way that the result was imposed on other parties. This is the sense of 'fait accompli'.
Peer comment(s):
agree YASiN DEMiRKIRAN
5 mins
agree Serkan Doğan
48 mins
agree 1964
3 hrs
agree Özden Arıkan
5 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "This makes the most sense in context."
+5
7 mins

with an accomplished fact

"oldubitti" ile burada *accomplished fact* kastediliyor gibi...
Peer comment(s):
agree Selçuk Budak
26 mins
teşekkürler
agree Özden Arıkan
3 hrs
teşekkürler
agree shenay kharatekin : doğru
4 hrs
tşk
agree Kaan Yesilyurt : Evet. Ama bir şey sormak istiyorum. Acaba "oldubitti" ile "emrivaki" aynı mı?
8 hrs
evet, ikisi aynı anlama gelmekte... ikisinde de müdahale hakkı tanınmadan, iş olupbittiye getirilir...
agree Serkan Doğan
8 hrs
teşekkürler
neutral digger (X) : mukaanyes'e not: TDK sözlüğü aynı diyor da (aslında olupbitti doğrusu) emrivaki'de "başka seçenek bırakmayacak biçimde" olmak anlamı daha bir vurgulanıyor diye düşünüyorsunuz galiba.
12 hrs
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+11
1 min

with a fait accompli

with a fait accompli

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Note added at 6 mins (2004-10-31 20:37:56 GMT)
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http://www.australianpolitics.com/news/2003/01/03-01-24a.sht...

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Note added at 8 mins (2004-10-31 20:39:58 GMT)
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fait accompli : French, accomplished fact : a thing accomplished and presumably irreversible




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Note added at 10 mins (2004-10-31 20:41:47 GMT)
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http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/cyprus/tcpr/1997/97-0...

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Note added at 1 hr 33 mins (2004-10-31 22:04:40 GMT)
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\"çıkmak\" means \"to land\" here

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Note added at 2 hrs 4 mins (2004-10-31 22:36:10 GMT)
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It was stated that by no means would permission be given to fanatics to hoist up Greek flag again by landing Kardak Rocks with a fait accompli.

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Note added at 2 hrs 16 mins (2004-10-31 22:47:49 GMT)
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Once they achieved to hoist up a greek flag on the rocks but they wont be able to do it again. (no permission will be given)
Peer comment(s):
agree Leyal : tabii ya, fark etmeden hemen hemen aynı cevabı vermişim...
19 mins
thx
agree Selçuk Budak
24 mins
thx
agree Özden Arıkan : fait accompli, "oldu bitti"nin colloqualism'ini yansıtmıyor ama... başka karşılık da yok galiba, değil mi?
32 mins
thx
agree Emine Fougner
45 mins
thx
agree shenay kharatekin : sizinki de doğru
4 hrs
teºekkürler
agree Kaan Yesilyurt : Truly true :)
8 hrs
thx
agree Serkan Doğan
8 hrs
thx
agree 1964
10 hrs
teşekkürler
agree digger (X) : (as a)...
12 hrs
teşekkürler
agree YASiN DEMiRKIRAN : (as a....)
13 hrs
teşekkürler (yes "as a" would be better)
agree Nizamettin Yigit
1 day 12 hrs
teşekkürler
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