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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

décalage de niveau social plus ou moins important

English translation:

varying levels of social deprivation

Added to glossary by Neil Rear
Oct 9, 2009 10:45
14 yrs ago
French term

décalage de niveau social plus ou moins important

French to English Social Sciences Government / Politics
La réponse aussi à la fois à nos problématiques démographiques que j’évoquais, mais aussi aux besoins des différentes catégories de populations, que l’on soit une personne âgée, que l’on soit un jeune en attente d’un premier toit, que l’on soit également une personne qui vit dans un décalage de niveau social plus ou moins important, de pouvoir bénéficier de réponses.

Part of a text from France on alternative models for urban development.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +8 varying levels of social deprivation
4 +2 more or less severe social hardship
4 +1 more or less socially disadvantaged
3 +1 (living) more or less on the fringes of mainstream society
3 a more or less considerable social discordance

Discussion

B D Finch Oct 10, 2009:
Clarification In fact, I wasn't trying to "have it both ways". The point is that "varying levels of" tends to sound formal rather than colloquial. Some people had given opinions that "more or less" was awkward, I just wanted to see whether a formal publication with a high editorial standard would use it and the answer was "yes, frequently". Of course doctors do sometimes like to sound a casual note to relieve their occupational stress (it makes them sound reassuring in a funny sort of way). I would find something like "you will more or less survive this infection" a touch too casual.
Carol Gullidge Oct 9, 2009:
Barbara, You surely can't have it both ways! First you claim this is an informal text, then you compare it with the BMJ - which is anything but informal
B D Finch Oct 9, 2009:
even more on more or less Just to see what a serious body like the BMJ thought about this, I tried googling '"more or less severe" bmj' and got 36.700 ghits.
e.g.
"Some combinations are benign; others result in more or less severe forms of cystic fibrosis. "
bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/312/7025/196 -

"a more or less severe degree of asthma (expressed as the baseline FEV1 and concentration provoking a fall in FEV1 of 20% or more (PC20))."
thorax.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/54/1/15 -
Carol Gullidge Oct 9, 2009:
more on more or less I know what you're getting at Barbara, but I think that that sense (the casual sense) of "more or less" rather ignores "important" - which needs to be taken into account (décalage plus ou moins important)
B D Finch Oct 9, 2009:
More or less? In reply to the people who think this phrase sounds clumsy or awkward, I suggest that you are not paying attention to register. I certainly would avoid it in a formal context, but the text quoted by the Asker did not seem very formal in register and a colloquial expression seemed to fit.

Proposed translations

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varying levels of social deprivation



...experiencing varying levels of social deprivation

The décalage here is the social divide, but these people are on the wrong side of the divide, so it's safe to say thay are somewhat socially deprived

Neighborhoods (2000 U.S. Census Block Groups) that experience a low level of accessibility and varying levels of social deprivation. ...
www.uiowa.edu/~geog/News/NewsandEvents.shtml - Cached - Similar
BioMed Central | Full text | Rationale, design and conduct of a ...... religious schools, single-sex schools, and both urban and rural schools (serving populations with varying levels of social deprivation). ...
www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/5/43 - Cached - Similar
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LEAs. The schools and LEAs chosen for visits compose a balanced sample from rural and urban areas across Wales with varying levels of social deprivation. ...
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varying levels of social deprivation.† We therefore believe that the sample represents a cross-section of attendees. A total of 996 attendees returned ...
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3511403.pdf - Similar
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Teachernet, Devolving fu nding11 Sep 2007 ... There are many factors behind this, including varying levels of social deprivation. However, within a partnership there may be different ...
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persist in varying levels of social deprivation for Sloutsky's (1997) five-to seven-year olds and Tizard and Rees' (1974; 1975) four-year olds. ...
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urban areas with varying levels of social deprivation across Wales. For further information please contact: Gina Carrington ...
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with varying levels of social deprivation across Wales. 3 All of the schools visited were nominated by their LEA mainly because of their good ...
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LEAs reflect varying levels of social deprivation, though all of the NGs represented. 178 P. Cooper and D. Whitebread ...
www.nurturegroups.org/data/files/.../nurture_groups_researc... - Similar
Peer comment(s):
agree Irene McClure : Yes - either 'deprivation' or 'disadvantage' could I think be used in your phrase, which very neatly avoids the 'more or less' structure which comes across as a slightly clumsy in English.
19 mins
many thanks savtrad! you got it in one - that is indeed what I was trying to avoid!
agree Victoria Barkoff : I like this, too.
39 mins
many thanks Victoria!
agree Anne-Marie Grant (X)
44 mins
many thanks Anne-Marie
agree Vicky James
1 hr
many thanks Vicky!
agree Cath St Clair (X)
1 hr
many thanks Cath!
agree Philippa Smith : definitely better with "varying"
1 hr
many thanks Philippa!
agree Clair Pickworth
1 hr
many thanks Clair!
agree philgoddard : You don't need any more agrees, but I think this is by far the best of the suggestions.
3 hrs
many thanks philgoddard!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks very much, Carol! You're a lifesaver :)"
10 mins

a more or less considerable social discordance

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+1
28 mins

(living) more or less on the fringes of mainstream society

my take
Peer comment(s):
neutral Anne-Marie Grant (X) : This could, conceivably, be a lifestyle choice rather than due to poverty etc//'On the margins of society' perhaps ?
1 hr
neutral Emma Paulay : That would be fine if the ST "décalage social", but the "de niveau" alters the meaning.
1 hr
agree writeaway : imo, this is what the French actually says
1 hr
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+2
17 mins

more or less severe social hardship

Social hardship is more widely defined than just income levels.

"families who experienced social hardship and impoverishment as one aspect of philanthropy. Such a definition adds to the growing number of ..."
www.ghi-dc.org/publications/ghipubs/bu/039/143.pdf

"Housing' in 1986, using a very conservative definition of housing need, .... in economic and social hardship which, in terms of housing, means that ..."
www.urbancentre.utoronto.ca/.../1988_Hulchanski_Poverty-Hom... -

"There is a growing need for more affordable housing, suitably designed and ...... is a time of extraordinary economic and social hardship for such people. ..."
sao.clriq.org.au/research/hrpoverty/hrpoverty.html -


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Note added at 21 mins (2009-10-09 11:07:14 GMT)
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Further explanation:

"What is the Severe Social Hardship Panel?
"Households who have medical issues, overcrowding or other social issues maybe [sic!] eligible for additional priority.
"Households who are encountering a number of factors such as medical issues, overcrowding or other social issues together, can be considered for additional priority through the Severe Social Hardship (SSH) Panel. Referrals will only be considered where the existing Banding criteria does not already adequately reflect their situation."
http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=13142

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Note added at 46 mins (2009-10-09 11:31:38 GMT)
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As a bit of extra explanation of the above reference: Banding is the system used by UK local authorities to grade applicants for housing according to need criteria. According to which band you are in you get an offer faster or slower (or never), in any area or only an unpopular one ...
Peer comment(s):
agree Jennifer Moulard : I feel like this sounds best in this context.
1 hr
Thanks Ukyuu
agree Emma Paulay
1 hr
Thanks Emma
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+1
15 mins

more or less socially disadvantaged

I would translate "une personne qui vit dans un décalage de niveau social plus ou moins important" as "a person who is more or less socially disadvantaged".

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-10-09 12:10:37 GMT)
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"Socially disadvantaged" is a commonly used term- almost 300,000 hits on Google. I believe it is the correct term in this context.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Jennifer Moulard : I disagree beacause you can have hardships even if you have all the socials advanges available. => I am still not convinced in this very situation but with the both of your two words, I thinks a neutral is better than a disagree.
1 hr
agree B D Finch : Just thought it was rather unfair that you got a "disagree". With or without 300K ghits, "social disadvantage" is an accepted term. Millionaires can suffer hardships (of the non-financial variety), but this is not about them.
2 hrs
thanks
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